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Person of Interest is in my top Forever Shows, fun fact Sarah Shahi is in two shows I consider my Forever Shows!

I love the show, the show gave me a host of compelling characters both good and bad, and all shades of gray. They have a lot of women who are varied and awesome, and not everyone needed to know how to use a gun to be awesome.

I think as a whole though it told a really amazing story about people who are introverts, loners, damaged people who needed a second chance. They formed into an odd family/team but they worked and often under the guidance of an AI that was also coming to its own.

I also love how the show doesn’t put romantic love as the golden standard, more often than not friendship is as important and sought after as a romantic connection.


And, I love that when the show did focus on the romance, it didn’t focus on it to the exclusion of everything else. Characters are allowed to have plot and history beyond their romance (well, not everyone Grace, unfortunately, is there for Harold but it’s Carrie Preston’s acting the elevated Grace. Iris’s character doesn’t have that).


But I would be lying if I say Person of Interest was perfect there. There are no perfect shows, and POI stumbled a lot, and sometimes they got too enamored with their ideas. Particularly in season 5 with all the constraints of the network and possibly (after watching Westworld) influenced by Westworld’s storylines a wee too much.
(It’s a revelation watching Westworld with Person of Interest in the forefront of my mind because there were moments when I went-- oh, that’s why they did that in POI.)


The undercover identities went nowhere interesting and they focused too much on John as John Riley (don’t get me started on the Riley identity). They completely dropped the storyline in season 4A where Harold and the Machine decided to work together, they never brought up Harold as Dominic’s teacher in 2PiR which they could have used to bring in Dominic into the story more.

Even if I accepted the deaths of Carter and Root they could have still done it better, the 100th episode was doing far too much in one episode, they could have broken that up into a two-parter.
The writers kept separating Harold from the team for no reason! You could literally watch 5x10 and 5x13 together and not miss anything.
They occasionally have weird pacing issues and story decisions, I’m looking at you season 3A, 4B, and 5B(ish)*.


*Admittedly that’s on the network.


Also, they have a representation problem. This show taught me that just because there are some diverse casting choices (not a lot) a show can still have representation problem. I mean, in terms of the story the deaths made sense from a character point of view but POI does not exist in a vacuum.


Carter was a main character, a woman of color and Root was a complicated queer woman. Collier might have been complicated but he existed in a show where a large percent of ‘bad guys’ are black, same goes with Dominic.
Another thing I learned in season 5-- how important it is to have a good villain for the heroes to fight.

After Lambert, who else was an effective antagonist for the team? It’s not Blackwell, the character and the actor was as effective as a wet blanket. Greer devolved into a monologuing drama queen, who as [tumblr.com profile] potcpoi loves to point out literally declared himself Samaritan’s queen.


And the most grievous sin of all? Samaritan. Samaritan was practically non-existent as a threat! Compare how Samaritan was presented in season 4, and then the first few episodes of season 5. It’s like day and night!


Also, the show failed to connect Shaw’s storyline with the team’s storyline! Shaw could have told them about what she discovered while she was held captive further pushing Harold into action, and not just because of Root’s death! Greer could have maliciously asked about Shaw and how her escape was treating her, but none of these things happened.


The show ended well, it was emotionally resonant and quiet in the way that fit the show’s overall tone but they could have done better. I expected a full all out assault against Samaritan, but the AI war ended not with a bang but with a whimper.

But in the end, this is the show that gave me Shaw, Root, Harold, Carter, John, Fusco, Zoe Morgan, and Bear, and their occasionally quirky, mysterious AI guardian. I will always be thankful for the show because of that.

Date: 2017-01-12 06:41 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] aurumcalendula
I mean, in terms of the story the deaths made sense from a character point of view but POI does not exist in a vacuum.
Carter was a main character, a woman of color and Root was a complicated queer woman. Collier might have been complicated but he existed in a show where a large percent of ‘bad guys’ are black, same goes with Dominic.


This!

I love the show, but I think I will always be a bit bitter about 5B, especially because of how good I found 5A overall (and about Carter and Root’s deaths).
Sameen surviving is what made the ending bearable for me (although I doubt it would happen, I would love it if she got a Leverage-ish style spinoff in a few years)

Also, I REALLY want to know what their original plan for 5B was

Date: 2017-01-12 09:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] quiara
I want a Sameen spinoff. But I cried when Root died. I ship Shoot hard. T_T

Date: 2017-01-13 02:40 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] aurumcalendula
I do too! (my ideal hypothetical spin-off has Root revealing she faked her death and being a series regular)

Date: 2017-01-13 07:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] quiara
I wouldn't even care if it was a lazily written explanation - like the machine found a body double for the morgue and set her up with a new identity but she can't keep away from Shaw so she looks her up. ^_^

What I think we'll actually get is the group who saved them in the plot with the president.

Date: 2017-01-13 09:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] aurumcalendula
Yeah - I think if Root had died in the last episode (if her and John's deaths were swapped) I think I would've been okay(er) with it?

Date: 2017-01-12 09:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] quiara
I deeply love POI. Deeply.

Also, as a disabled person, I did appreciate that even though Harold's disability did wind up as part of a plot, it was not The Main Thing About Him or even remotely explained until well into the series. People exist beyond their disabilities. He was a complete character, without constantly announcing via storylines "AND ALSO DISABLED AND PLOT IS AFFECTED NEGATIVELY" or something.

I love Harold, imperfect as he is.

Date: 2017-01-13 07:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] quiara
I think everyone is broken in some way and their brokennesses complement each other and complete each other. But it's refreshing to see an actual disability that would change someone's life and qualify them as disabled being treated as something other than a plot point.

Date: 2017-01-14 10:21 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] st_aurafina
The pacing issues in S5 break my heart. I can write all the fixit fic I want for the plot decisions but the pacing issues mean there's less canon, and less canon of the kind I want, and it's just sad. (And I'm quite fond of Iris, in that way when I wish a character had been given more chances - she had a lot of potential, she just got nothing to do.)

The ending hit so many of my buttons, though. And Root!Machine? She was everything, and I'm carrying her in my heart on to my watch through Westworld. I'm only 5 eps in but I can see so much fusion potential there, and it's so interesting to see the connections between the two shows.

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