I wanted to touch the stars!
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grimorieIs Torchwood any different from Henry Van Statten? Van Statten collects and scavenges alien technology for his personal use then keeps them preserved in his underground museum not at all interested in sharing them with the world unless it benefits him.
He dragged the stars down to him, keeps it close and never lets it go. It's almost the same concept for Torchwood. Anything alien is theirs.
Torchwood dragged down the stars, scavenged the alien tech for weapons and create weapons to keep Britain (and only Britain, one assumes) safe. Keeping aliens at bay rather than creating things that can help them explore, discover and extend a hand in greeting.
Queen Victoria says as much:
"I saw last night, that Great Britain has enemies beyond imagination, and we must defend our borders on all sides. I propose an institute to investigate these strange happenings and to fight them. I would call it 'Torchwood"
Torchwood, from the start, was not created to explore and discover, it was created as a response against the alien, the supernatural. Granted, not all of aliens and supernatural are good but it also means not all aliens are bad.
Even Suzie shared the same perception but, more skewed to her disliking both Earth and aliens. She's never seen the wonders of Earth and all she's seen of the aliens are the Cybermen, the Daleks and other creatures that seems threatening, it would color her to
thinking that everything about aliens are bad, or not all that grand. As opposed to Rose, who's seen the universe through different eyes,she's seen both the ugly and the wonderful. Its something all of the Doctor's companions have one-up on the people working for Torchwood (except, of course, for Jack.)
I wonder if Torchwood's insular mentality is deliberate on the writers' part.
The more I think about it, the more I believe that there is a connection between the Doctor Who episode, the Unquiet Dead and Torchwood, not least because of Gwen. It might just be the case of RTD liking the actress then again, not only do Gwen and Gwyneth look alike and share almost the same name but they're both working in the Cardiff rift.
I also think the 'nothing' Suzie and all the other people Suzie resurrected came directly from the void, the very same void the Doctor banished both Dalek and Cybermen to. What if the 'something moving' Suzie's talking about has to do with the Dalek and the Cybermen?
New New Doctor
Ten is really a different man from Nine and for the life of me I can't figure out why Ten is considered darker than Nine. Nine is far darker, colder and ruthless than Ten. But Ten has more bravado and far more arrogant but he doesn't have the dark and dangerous intensity Nine projected.
I miss Nine's manic intensity and glowering. Eccleston isn't handsome in the conventional sense but man, once he starts you can't take your
eyes off him.
Ten's so boisterous and boyish with a big ego to accept the praise that he's a god -- something when he was Nine, scarred from the Time War didn't, couldn't accept.
I also loved Rose and Nine's relationship, the 'old married bickering but underneath that we really like each other couple' vibe they had on, Rose not letting on how impressed she was by him and Nine being all affronted at her lack of impressiveness which makes him want to show off more. I loved him needy protectiveness towards Rose. Not to say I don't love Ten and Rose's relationship, I love how bouncy they are but the Doctor's regeneration also meant a change in their relationship too.
Ten's lighter and more open to physical contact. He's far more capable of letting Rose go and this time, its Rose who's far less willing to let go. Listening to an interview she did with BBC radio, Billie explains it most has to do because she's seen the Doctor die and now she's more careful with him, more possessive because --and this is my take on it-- now she feels the Doctor is her responsibility.
Losing the Doctor once changed Rose's approach towards him and I think she's just so happy to have him that she doesn't challenge him often. Also, I think its because the Doctor's approach to Rose has differed. He's no longer prone to insult the human race (which I think is ruder, btw) and I'm thinking the few times Rose tried to pick a fight with the Doctor he only confused her by agreeing agreeably that she
just stopped.
I agree with other DW fan's speculation that the Doctor imprinted himself in Rose that when he regenerated he turned into someone who he's seen Rose can get attracted to -- body type, personality and manner of dressing.
The thing I like about Rose is that she's intelligent and smart and willing to learn and she develops this wanderlust and a love for adventure. She's the opposite of Buffy in the sense that she realizes that the normal isn't for her. The Doctor showed her a better way of doing things, of living. She's had normal for 19 years and a sort of waiting pattern in her life and she didn't realize until her job blew-up how boring her life was.
Buffy on the other hand, only had fifteen years and I think, the only reason she wanted normality has more to do with choice. She wants the freedom to choose and the freedom to say, once in a while, I need a break.
Rose adapts well to dangerous situations, she's capable of compartmentalizing things. Also, from early on, I think Rose accepts that she can die from any of her adventures as long as she goes down fighting when it happens. Of course the concept still freaks her out but when faced with it, she's surprisingly very calm about it. Off the top of my head I can think of War World III, Parting of the Ways,Christmas Invasion, the Girl in the Fireplace, the Satan Pit and of course, Doomsday.
The second season saw Rose develop her leadership capabilities (Satan Pit) and she's learning how the Doctor negotiates and her natural curiosity developed her detecting skills, and she's gotten very good in getting information from people.
Also? I love it when Rose has an axe, she's very effective with an axe. Me thinks its her weapon of choice but she's also handy with that bolt gun from Satan Pit too.
But a lot of fans who loved Rose in the first season seems to have the opposite reaction to her in the first season mightily dampening my love for the series because Rose was my point of view character. Just like how Buffy was my point of view character.
I think, in the effort for making us love Ten, the writers tried too hard to sell him by making Rose and the Doctor extra cutesy to the detriment of Rose's arc development. Turning the whole season 2 into this incoherent story with no development whatsoever and based from the trailer I've seen, it seems that all the arc-y stuff, including the dark and dangerous elements of the Doctor the writers pinned on the third season.
My only issue with Rose in the second season has more to do with something shallow -- Rose's make-up. Not the mascara, I love the mascara thing but looking back at the first season, Rose was more laid back? In clothes wearing and her hair would get messy.
Rose does very well when she's not with the Doctor she's very grown-up, proactive and takes well to leadership. She has her faults her daddy issues being one of them and her wanderlust and taste for adventure also comes in conflict with her family, particularly with Jackie.
I wish Billie stayed on at least for one more season because the third seemed like its really, really dark and we all know that Rose works well in those environment maybe even bringing back the tension between Rose and the Doctor. The hubris arc would also make more sense if it played here, plus, I think the third season will see Rose regaining the equilibrium she had in the first season.
Rose pretty much accepted the cost of her lifestyle and how much it will change her, she accepts that the Doctor will continue on without her but for as long as she's able Rose decided she'll never leave him. And, I don't think its bad or evil of her for choosing traveling with the Doctor over her family. She's had 19 years with Jackie all children grow-up and leave. I don't understand how choosing to live an adventurous life is any different, it's selfish yes but not bad or adapting any sort of airs and graces.
So few people ever have the chance to do what they want and she's one of the luckiest to have had that, which makes Doomsday that much more wrenching.
I don't think Rose's crying was over the top, I found it fitting because she isn't just mourning because she's lost the Doctor, she's also crying because now her wings have been clipped. Chained to the Earth with no other means of traveling to other planets, other times.
She won't be able to witness stars explode, meet new races, discuss the invention of paper with an ancient scholar from an equally ancient civilization. From that point on, she's Earth bound.
But once she's done mourning she won't be standing still, she'll grow and enjoy her work, she'll travel a lot --something I think, which will still be an issue between her and Jackie. She's not going to have that perfect relationship she always imagined with Pete because he really does feel he isn't her father, even though he feels a bond with her.
There's going to be invasions and weird happenings and Rose will be thrown into it and she'll hit the ground running with everyone panicking and its in that moment she'll realize that this world really doesn't have a Doctor, or it did and now he isn't there and people are panicking, maybe doing extreme lengths of panic and Rose realizes she has to step-up to the plate and be the Doctor, or try to. She's jittery at first and then she snaps out of it just like she did in Satan Pit. She'll even laugh because all the danger and the running and saving the world is the familiar bits.
Soon she'll be doing the saving the world bit more and more until she's been chosen to lead the Earth Defense unit, and Rose'll laugh again, because now she knows she's earned it. Of course, Mickey and Jake are part of her team and they're all down together in the world savage. They're the parallel Earth's version of the terrible Three.
That's my vision of Rose post-Doomsday and I really wish I could write that because it would be awesome.
He dragged the stars down to him, keeps it close and never lets it go. It's almost the same concept for Torchwood. Anything alien is theirs.
Torchwood dragged down the stars, scavenged the alien tech for weapons and create weapons to keep Britain (and only Britain, one assumes) safe. Keeping aliens at bay rather than creating things that can help them explore, discover and extend a hand in greeting.
Queen Victoria says as much:
"I saw last night, that Great Britain has enemies beyond imagination, and we must defend our borders on all sides. I propose an institute to investigate these strange happenings and to fight them. I would call it 'Torchwood"
Torchwood, from the start, was not created to explore and discover, it was created as a response against the alien, the supernatural. Granted, not all of aliens and supernatural are good but it also means not all aliens are bad.
Even Suzie shared the same perception but, more skewed to her disliking both Earth and aliens. She's never seen the wonders of Earth and all she's seen of the aliens are the Cybermen, the Daleks and other creatures that seems threatening, it would color her to
thinking that everything about aliens are bad, or not all that grand. As opposed to Rose, who's seen the universe through different eyes,she's seen both the ugly and the wonderful. Its something all of the Doctor's companions have one-up on the people working for Torchwood (except, of course, for Jack.)
I wonder if Torchwood's insular mentality is deliberate on the writers' part.
The more I think about it, the more I believe that there is a connection between the Doctor Who episode, the Unquiet Dead and Torchwood, not least because of Gwen. It might just be the case of RTD liking the actress then again, not only do Gwen and Gwyneth look alike and share almost the same name but they're both working in the Cardiff rift.
I also think the 'nothing' Suzie and all the other people Suzie resurrected came directly from the void, the very same void the Doctor banished both Dalek and Cybermen to. What if the 'something moving' Suzie's talking about has to do with the Dalek and the Cybermen?
New New Doctor
Ten is really a different man from Nine and for the life of me I can't figure out why Ten is considered darker than Nine. Nine is far darker, colder and ruthless than Ten. But Ten has more bravado and far more arrogant but he doesn't have the dark and dangerous intensity Nine projected.
I miss Nine's manic intensity and glowering. Eccleston isn't handsome in the conventional sense but man, once he starts you can't take your
eyes off him.
Ten's so boisterous and boyish with a big ego to accept the praise that he's a god -- something when he was Nine, scarred from the Time War didn't, couldn't accept.
I also loved Rose and Nine's relationship, the 'old married bickering but underneath that we really like each other couple' vibe they had on, Rose not letting on how impressed she was by him and Nine being all affronted at her lack of impressiveness which makes him want to show off more. I loved him needy protectiveness towards Rose. Not to say I don't love Ten and Rose's relationship, I love how bouncy they are but the Doctor's regeneration also meant a change in their relationship too.
Ten's lighter and more open to physical contact. He's far more capable of letting Rose go and this time, its Rose who's far less willing to let go. Listening to an interview she did with BBC radio, Billie explains it most has to do because she's seen the Doctor die and now she's more careful with him, more possessive because --and this is my take on it-- now she feels the Doctor is her responsibility.
Losing the Doctor once changed Rose's approach towards him and I think she's just so happy to have him that she doesn't challenge him often. Also, I think its because the Doctor's approach to Rose has differed. He's no longer prone to insult the human race (which I think is ruder, btw) and I'm thinking the few times Rose tried to pick a fight with the Doctor he only confused her by agreeing agreeably that she
just stopped.
I agree with other DW fan's speculation that the Doctor imprinted himself in Rose that when he regenerated he turned into someone who he's seen Rose can get attracted to -- body type, personality and manner of dressing.
The thing I like about Rose is that she's intelligent and smart and willing to learn and she develops this wanderlust and a love for adventure. She's the opposite of Buffy in the sense that she realizes that the normal isn't for her. The Doctor showed her a better way of doing things, of living. She's had normal for 19 years and a sort of waiting pattern in her life and she didn't realize until her job blew-up how boring her life was.
Buffy on the other hand, only had fifteen years and I think, the only reason she wanted normality has more to do with choice. She wants the freedom to choose and the freedom to say, once in a while, I need a break.
Rose adapts well to dangerous situations, she's capable of compartmentalizing things. Also, from early on, I think Rose accepts that she can die from any of her adventures as long as she goes down fighting when it happens. Of course the concept still freaks her out but when faced with it, she's surprisingly very calm about it. Off the top of my head I can think of War World III, Parting of the Ways,Christmas Invasion, the Girl in the Fireplace, the Satan Pit and of course, Doomsday.
The second season saw Rose develop her leadership capabilities (Satan Pit) and she's learning how the Doctor negotiates and her natural curiosity developed her detecting skills, and she's gotten very good in getting information from people.
Also? I love it when Rose has an axe, she's very effective with an axe. Me thinks its her weapon of choice but she's also handy with that bolt gun from Satan Pit too.
But a lot of fans who loved Rose in the first season seems to have the opposite reaction to her in the first season mightily dampening my love for the series because Rose was my point of view character. Just like how Buffy was my point of view character.
I think, in the effort for making us love Ten, the writers tried too hard to sell him by making Rose and the Doctor extra cutesy to the detriment of Rose's arc development. Turning the whole season 2 into this incoherent story with no development whatsoever and based from the trailer I've seen, it seems that all the arc-y stuff, including the dark and dangerous elements of the Doctor the writers pinned on the third season.
My only issue with Rose in the second season has more to do with something shallow -- Rose's make-up. Not the mascara, I love the mascara thing but looking back at the first season, Rose was more laid back? In clothes wearing and her hair would get messy.
Rose does very well when she's not with the Doctor she's very grown-up, proactive and takes well to leadership. She has her faults her daddy issues being one of them and her wanderlust and taste for adventure also comes in conflict with her family, particularly with Jackie.
I wish Billie stayed on at least for one more season because the third seemed like its really, really dark and we all know that Rose works well in those environment maybe even bringing back the tension between Rose and the Doctor. The hubris arc would also make more sense if it played here, plus, I think the third season will see Rose regaining the equilibrium she had in the first season.
Rose pretty much accepted the cost of her lifestyle and how much it will change her, she accepts that the Doctor will continue on without her but for as long as she's able Rose decided she'll never leave him. And, I don't think its bad or evil of her for choosing traveling with the Doctor over her family. She's had 19 years with Jackie all children grow-up and leave. I don't understand how choosing to live an adventurous life is any different, it's selfish yes but not bad or adapting any sort of airs and graces.
So few people ever have the chance to do what they want and she's one of the luckiest to have had that, which makes Doomsday that much more wrenching.
I don't think Rose's crying was over the top, I found it fitting because she isn't just mourning because she's lost the Doctor, she's also crying because now her wings have been clipped. Chained to the Earth with no other means of traveling to other planets, other times.
She won't be able to witness stars explode, meet new races, discuss the invention of paper with an ancient scholar from an equally ancient civilization. From that point on, she's Earth bound.
But once she's done mourning she won't be standing still, she'll grow and enjoy her work, she'll travel a lot --something I think, which will still be an issue between her and Jackie. She's not going to have that perfect relationship she always imagined with Pete because he really does feel he isn't her father, even though he feels a bond with her.
There's going to be invasions and weird happenings and Rose will be thrown into it and she'll hit the ground running with everyone panicking and its in that moment she'll realize that this world really doesn't have a Doctor, or it did and now he isn't there and people are panicking, maybe doing extreme lengths of panic and Rose realizes she has to step-up to the plate and be the Doctor, or try to. She's jittery at first and then she snaps out of it just like she did in Satan Pit. She'll even laugh because all the danger and the running and saving the world is the familiar bits.
Soon she'll be doing the saving the world bit more and more until she's been chosen to lead the Earth Defense unit, and Rose'll laugh again, because now she knows she's earned it. Of course, Mickey and Jake are part of her team and they're all down together in the world savage. They're the parallel Earth's version of the terrible Three.
That's my vision of Rose post-Doomsday and I really wish I could write that because it would be awesome.
